Hey there - so today’s post is a little unconventional… i took an actual conversation i had with my friend and posted it.. i hope this helps you to see that everyone has the same issues and while you may think your boyfriend isn’t like mine or hers, the issues transcend. It’s not just people that transcend…so do problems. We like to think that the decisions we make are DIFFERENT than those of our friends. Well you dont know him like i do, just because your ex is a piece of poo and my current does similar or even identical things - doesn’t mean he is a piece of poo. I hear girls say it all the time, it’s the beginning - we are feeling eachother out.
NOPE.
You are not. Issues are Issues. you can resolve’em or they can eat you up and distract you and throw you off your path. Again - they can make you feel like your descending where you need to ascending.. but they should make you feel like transcending. going beyond the physical metaphysical and into the spiritual. Your relationship should be your spiritual nourishment, not your physical imprisonment.
Read on for a very real relationship convo….
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Thank you for all of your words of wisdom. I know that you’re right about everything that you said. You’re ALWAYS right. You have no idea how much I was dying to talk to you about all of this because I know you would know exactly what to say, but I was embarrassed of all the issues we are having and he made it very clear that he didn’t want anyone to know because it embarrassed him. His friends and family have no idea what’s going on.
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look I love you
I always will. I get upset because I love you.
at the end of the say - I just want you to be happy… that’s all. you should not be embarrassed … EVER! there is nothing wrong with you. or your relationship… everyone has issues. if you existed within a group - trust me he would be able to gain perspective… if he were friends with our lame as they are boyfriends… he would see that you can love someone independent of her past.
I dunno babe… I just want you to be happy and I know that while you think he makes you happy - he really doesn’t. which is not to say that he CANT but he just isn’t right now.
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I know and I love you for it. There are times when he does make me happy and I see the potential he has to always make me happy. I know that if he were to get close to you guys then things would be so much better, but he has this resistance that I don’t know where it comes from. He likes you guys and admitted that he has fun when we all hang out, but he is still resistant and I don’t know what to do about it. He was so cute, he called this morning and goes “where is her birthday thing on Saturday Then he goes “We should really try to make it to her bday. And you’re going to dinner with them tonight right? And you should go watch tv with them next week.” So he is trying. However, if he knew that I told you guys about what’s going on, he would freak.
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well I think that again you are someone who has BFFs … your BFFS are what make you strong.
I think that anyone can make you happy. it is what you see in a person… I dunno - I just have a whole different perspective on life and relationships now..
I am glad he is trying. as long as you SET boundaries you guys will be fine. if you want this relationship to last, then you need to SLOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW DOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWN
there is no rush - if you guys are going to get there - you will - rushing will only make you lose moments now that you can appreciate. try NOT talking about getting married and trying to talk about OTHER things…. because ok if you DO get married, then what? THEN you want to get to know each other?
also - his encouraging you to spend time with your friends cant be like go hang out with them but stay on the phone and text me the whole time. you guys are not “dating” anymore, you’re in a committed relationship. It doesn’t need to be smothered and he should appreciate that you have your own life….
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Oh there are so many other things to talk about now that the last thing he wants is to marry me anymore.
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I think you’re being dramatic
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I don’t. He totally doesn’t look at me in the same light anymore.
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well I think that is good.
you are NOT a perfect angel.
you are not untouched and holy
you are just a human
and that is ok
you need to learn to start liking yourself a little more. I don’t see how you think you can even begin to like or love someone else when you cant even accept who you are… You need to find some confidence and ask yourself why you are not content with who you are.
you lied to he because you don’t like the things you have done. if you don’t like them, then he wont either. no matter what. so either suck it up and accept that this is your life, this is who you are and if you don’t like it - then do something about it.
I think there comes a time in your life where you have to see that there is a time to cut your losses. And it’s a fresh wound and you know he is a BIG baby. he is trying to punish you for what you have done. so you have to think - either you ride the punishment out and suck it up or you tell him look
you punishing me is selfish. just like when I lied and then confessed. I confessed to make myself feel better to relieve my conscience. the guilt of lying was bothering me and I didn’t want you to find out any other way. so now you are punishing me to make yourself fell better. but really it is not going to change what happened, all it is going to do is make me withdraw because no one wants to get hurt. and it’s going to make you more angry. so either you are going to grow up and see that if you love me and want to marry me - we are going to have to go through a lot of issues and trials and tribulations together. if we can’t deal with this - then our future is doomed.
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I don’t know if he wants a future with me anymore. Part of me thinks that he is just sticking around until he works up the strength to leave.
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then good, you don’t want him in your life if he is all talk anyway
what the f*ck happened to you
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But is it all talk? If you greatly disappoint someone, don’t they have the right to fear more damage and trying to take their heart back?
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From what you know about him so far and have seen yourself, do you think that he will cop? Do you think that we can ever get past this?
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well he is all talk to tell you that he loves you and wants to marry you if he cannot stand a conflict with you.
he is CERTAINLY all talk when he leads you to believe that you can rely on him as a husband and a future life together when he cannot accept you today. he told you he can do what he wants cause he is a man. ok. I know you like that manly Persian macho thing. I can accept it is the caveman instinct that we all crave. BUT gheirat (machismo) is something that cuts both ways. if he is a man in love with you
he is in love with
a woman who
who dated/slept with someone
who slept with someone else
who was in a long term committed relationship with someone else
who has kissed/pecked/sat in the laps of/partied with/clubbed with “X” number of people besides him
you have to accept these things about yourself
he has to accept them too - because LOVE is looking PAST that which you don’t like THROUGH to the core of that person.
maybe he thinks he loves you
because you were such a challenge and seemed like such a great prize and when he finally got you it felt like an accomplishment, like passing the bar… and now he doesn’t want to lose it. he feels invested and doesn’t want to lose his investment.
Why would you want to be with someone who feels the need to punish you? Punishment is something a Superior Being (like a parent or master) uses to CONTROL an inferior being (like a child or pet). People in egalitarian relationships - communicate. work THROUGH their issues…. resolve them and move on.
you and he cannot keep re-hashing this
it is what it is
and it is OVER.
now you can choose to move on, being a smarter person knowing what you know about yourself and the other person. or you can suffer.
when he threatens or actually does take his attention and affection from you, it is a CONTROL tactic. It is a tactic aimed at forcing you to do something HE wants you to do. Are u a puppet?
don’t they have the right to fear more damage and trying to take their heart back?
yes - that person has the RIGHT to feel and fear everything… but does he HAVE the right to instill that same fear in you? he uses the fact that he knows that you love him to make you FEAR his leaving you…
so how is he coping with his fear? by passing it on to you. he doesn’t deal with it or fix it…he just PASSES it on
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one more thing… you need to ask yourself honestly - why you lied to him.
is that who you are ? are u a liar?
bebeen - I don’t tell mine everything. everything does not need to be said. a woman needs her secrets. just like a man does. there are certain things I DON’T want to know. I am better off not being tainted and I can accept and own that my emotions may lead me to act and react irrationally if I have too much information.
furthermore…..
ask yourself - what is your definition of love? you love he because you felt the need to lie to him ? to mislead him? to keep secrets and then confess? Had he done the exact same to you - you would agree that he doesn’t love you. and you don’t love him… you may WANT to love him… but you don’t even love yourself.
when you START to love yourself - then and only then - will you have the strength and ability to love he. He doesn’t love himself either. if he did, he would realize that someone who lies and keeps secrets and doesn’t love herself can’t possibly begin to comprehend what it takes to love someone else, nevertheless marry him and make such a real commitment to that person…
I know I keep using me and h as an example but its the only one I can think of
you know I love him
but really at the end of the day - I don’t know if I could really be his wife. I adore him and am committed to him - but being his wife means that I trust his behavior and his personality and his maturity and his ability to UNDERSTAND me sooo much that I entrust him with everything I have.
that is crazy…I mean - I realize now after 10 months - I barely know the dude. I don’t know what he’s like when he is stressed, I am just learning that about him. I don’t know what he is like when he has 45 financial obligations and 25 emotional and family ones. I don’t know if he knows how to juggle all that. I haven’t seen how he reacts to conflict with his family - while I am in his life. I don’t know what position he would have if there was a conflict that involved me - these are things you need to know BEFORE you can determine whether or not you can marry someone…
TALKING in circles wont solve anything
you need to ask yourself WHY this happened
and WHAT YOU CAN do to prevent it
you never gave he the opportunity to be there for you. you never gave him the opportunity to grow with you. you assumed that he wasn’t going to accept these things about you so you shut him out. you judged him. and now you are paying the price. if you know he was going to judge you negatively, then you should have given him the chance (as you will DO from now on) and then when does that wrong thing - you point it out lovingly that look azizam - this is why I felt I couldn’t show you the real me - because you were going to react like this.
and then you see what he has to say
he either accepts his flaw and works on it
or he doesn’t
and if he does not - then YOU have to think about whether or not that is acceptable to you
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From what you know about him so far and have seen yourself, do you think that he will cop? Do you think that we can ever get past this?
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He won’t admit that though. He says that I’m just saying that to put the blame on him and make myself feel better.
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I think that he has to accept responsibility for what happened.
it takes 2.
if he can do that and admit that your relationship needs work…
then of course you can get past this.
relationships are not black and white.
if you want something badly enough - the both of you - of course you can make it work.
but you have to be honest. you have to COMMUNICATE and you have to trust and respect each other completely.
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then maybe it is time for you to take some time and be by yourself and spend some time with people who love you unconditionally. you are going to have to practice tough love with him at this point.
if he can’t admit and accept any responsibility for any of this - then baby girl - I hate to break it to you but he is not ready to love you. he cant love himself and he can’t love you.
it takes 2 people to make a relationship work and it also takes two people to break a relationship
you never let your relationship grow into a real one
you rushed into it
now you have to pay the price
you either find a way to get through to him
or you wash your hands of the situation
I told you this morning
you leave him with 2 options
either he trusts you and you work through this
or
he loses you
that’s it.
there is no reason to punish yourself and suffer.
you need to start loving yourself and being proud of yourself
before he can
you have to set the example for him
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You’re right. God I so wish that I could get through to him.
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give him space and time
tell him
look I love u and I want this to work
take your space and see if u miss me
if u do then u know that whatever it takes to makes this work is a small price to pay for us to be able to be together and be happy
you need to let him know what it feels like to lose you
losing you is worse than being hurt by you
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I already said that he said that he won’t be able to think clearly because all he will be thinking about is how much he misses me. And then if too much time goes by then he will start to feel better and will be afraid of coming back to me because he will be afraid of getting hurt like that again.
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once again he is manipulating you.
does he have a solution?
what is it?
that you are supposed to DIE because you made a mistake?
what is supposed to happen? he is going to punish you until he feels better?
or what that you have to have NO privacy and turn over your phone and your life and he can basically put you on a schedule and leash until HE feels better.
Are you so full of hate for yourself that you don’t think you have the right to have the ability to exercise your own free will? because you hid something out of fear and then out of an act of conscience, came clean - are you too stupid now to be able to differentiate right from wrong? does he need to think for you? maybe he can tell you when and where you will be allowed to go as well?
he needs to ask himself what is driving him to feel the need to control you so badly?
when he had no control over you all he could think about was controlling you, staying on the phone for hours, hanging out everyday, texting, emailing etc. and now…. you can’t spend any time apart cause he may move on? or get hurt again? well baby girl there is no guarantee in this life. you can be MARRIED and hurt him again…
this isn’t nordstrom…it’s life… the return policies are not the same
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His solution is to have me show him how sorry I am. I don’t know what that means that I’m supposed to do, but he says that if he had wronged me like that he would beg my forgiveness everyday, send me flowers everyday and do things of grand gesture to show that he is sorry.
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well my dear - in time…as your relationship grows he will see that.
you cant put a band aid on a gunshot wound
and again he is only concerned about you making him feel better
he wants you to crush yourself so he can feel elevated
do you hate yourself that much?
he is not focusing on your relationship he is telling you make ME feel better and then I will decide if this relationship survives.
what do you think of that?
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Is it possible for him to think about the relationship when he is so hurt?
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like he said - it depends on what your priorities are…
he is his own first priority
not you
not his relationship
his ego and his pride
that is what he is thinking of
while you are thinking of a future and a life together
he is worried about what he is going to tell people and how his ego has been deflated
he is disappointed in himself
there is no reason for him to have built you up to be so perfect that the pedestal he put you on was so small you couldn’t even sit… you have to balance on a tippy toe
why dont you think that someone should love you and all your imperfections?
why dont YOU love YOU and all your imperfections?
your friends do. your family does.
believe me - we all KNOW you are not perfect and i could list your imperfections for you
as you could mine.
You’re right. I feel like I need to give it a little bit more time and see if anything changes. If not, then I need to listen to you and cut my loses.
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babe - I don’t want to be right.. I want you to really think. this man has told you he wants to marry you that is a lifetime pledge - at the FIRST sign of trouble - he is rethinking everything and wants YOU to fix it. well - you didn’t ruin it by yourself - and you certainly cannot fix it by yourself.
LOVE YOURSELF
love yourself and others who are worthy of loving you will love you FOR REAL too.
why would someone who truly loves you NOT want you to be able to have a strong support system? Why would he want you to have to suffer in pain alone… your friends are for sharing happiness and misery. If it wasn’t for my friends - I would necessarily be in a HORRIBLE place right now. Give it time, energy love, everything - but REALIZE that you are giving to your relationship and because of it but he is TAKING solely for himself.
he is not thinking about tomorrow - he is thinking about RIGHT now.
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He doesn’t want my friends to know because he feels embarrassed that I lied to him and he stayed with me is what I think. He feels like i betrayed him and he is a sucker for taking it. I know that everything you have said is right. I have thought of many of the same things, but I needed someone who loves me and someone who i respect their opinion to say it out loud.
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Consider it said.
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